homehome Home chatchat Notifications


Some moons have moons of their own -- moonmoons

But can moonmoons have moonmoonmoons?

Mihai Andrei
October 11, 2018 @ 1:24 pm

share Share

You’ll never guess what scientists call the moons of moons — well, you probably would. It’s submoons, but NewScientist’s Leah Carey has a better idea: moonmoons.

Saturn’s moon Iapetus might, in theory, have its own submoon.

Moonmoons

We know that moons orbit planets, planets orbit stars, stars orbit the center of the galaxy, and even galaxies sometimes orbit each other. But are moons also orbited by something, and if yes, then what do you call these objects?

In a new analysis published in arXiv, Juna Kollmeier at Carnegie Observatories in Pasadena, California, and Sean Raymond at the University of Bordeaux,

“Each of the giant planets within the Solar System has large moons but none of these moons have their own moons (which we call submoons).”

The problem with (ahem) ‘submoons’ is that we’ve never seen one. There doesn’t seem to be one in the solar system, or at least we haven’t seen it yet.

“In all known planetary systems, natural satellites occur in a restricted dynamical phase space: planets orbit stars and moons orbit planets. It is natural to ask, can submoons orbit moons? If so, why don’t any of the known moons of the Solar System have their own submoons?”

But this, Kollmeier and Raymond argue, doesn’t mean that they don’t exist.

Goldilocks moons

The biggest problem with such objects would be the moon’s planet. Moons are much smaller than their host planets, and therefore they have a much much smaller gravitational pull. If the moon would be too close to the planet, it would risk losing its submoon to the planet’s tidal force; if it would be too far, it might simply not be able to hold its submoon, which could shoot off in space.

So the conditions have to be just right, but they are possible, according to the researchers’ calculations. In theory, the Earth’s moon could have its own submoon, as could Saturn’s moons Titan and Iapetus and Jupiter’s moon Callisto. Except they don’t. So we might have to wait a bit before we can validate the theory.

But if we do identify submoons, it would do much more than just fulfill a stellar curiosity — it could help us learn more about how these systems, and the host planets, form in the first place.

“[..] the absence of submoons around known moons and exomoons where submoons can survive provides important clues to the formation mechanisms and histories of these systems. Further studies of the potential formation mechanisms, long-term dynamical survival, and detectability of submoons is encouraged.”

Regarding the name for these hypothesized objects, researchers would like to stick to ‘submoons’ — but that doesn’t mean they don’t like the alternatives. Taking to Twitter, Kollmeier says she’s also happy with some alternatives, including moonmoon. So as far as I’m concerned, moonmoons are now a thing.

https://twitter.com/thejunaverse/status/1050156276607410176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

I guess the only question now is can moonmoons have moonmoonmoons?

The paper is published in arXiv.

share Share

How Bees Use the Sun for Navigation Even on Cloudy Days

Bees see differently than humans, for them the sky is more than just blue.

Scientists Quietly Developed a 6G Chip Capable of 100 Gbps Speeds

A single photonic chip for all future wireless communication.

This Teen Scientist Turned a $0.50 Bar of Soap Into a Cancer-Fighting Breakthrough and Became ‘America’s Top Young Scientist’

Heman's inspiration for his invention came from his childhood in Ethiopia, where he witnessed the dangers of prolonged sun exposure.

Pluto's Moons and Everything You Didn't Know You Want to Know About Them

Let's get acquainted with the lesser known but still very interesting moons of Pluto.

Japan Is Starting to Use Robots in 7-Eleven Shops to Compensate for the Massive Shortage of Workers

These robots are taking over repetitive jobs and reducing workload as Japan combats a worker crisis.

This Bizarre Martian Rock Formation Is Our Strongest Evidence Yet for Ancient Life on Mars

We can't confirm it yet, but it's as close as it gets.

A small, portable test could revolutionize how we diagnose Alzheimer's

A passive EEG scan could spot memory loss before symptoms begin to show.

Forget the wild-haired savages. Here's what Vikings really looked like

Hollywood has gravely distorted our image.

Is a Plant-Based Diet Really Healthy for Your Dog? This Study Has Surprising Findings

You may need to revisit your dog's diet.

Who Invented Russian Roulette? How a 1937 Short Story Sparked the Deadliest "Game" in Pop Culture

Russian Roulette is deadly game that likely spawned from a work of fiction.