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First Neanderthal genome sequenced

Mon, Aug 11, 2008

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The Neanderthal has spakled controversies around scientists for many years; they had many adaptations to a hard life, such as hort, robust builds, and rather large noses, which show they lived mostly in cold climates. They were almost exclusively carnivorous and top predators and their brains were probably larger than ours, so it’s not that easy to understand why they went extinct.

The first complete genome of a Neanderthal has been sequenced, and specifically the mitochondrial DNA found in a 38,000-year-old bone. This could provide valuable information about these “relatives”, which among hobbits are the species which is related to us the most. The research showed that they in small, isolated populations, and probably did not interbreed with their human neighbours.

“This is the first ‘finished’ genome sequence of an extinct human relative,” says the study’s lead scientist, Ed Green, of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany. “But for the first time, we’ve built a sequence from ancient DNA that is essentially without error,” says Green. “Contamination has been a constant dark cloud hanging over the field of ancient DNA sequencing. It has tainted our work,” he says. “People have been too busy evaluating the accuracy of the Neanderthal sequences to really think about what these sequences actually mean if they are real.”

Some scientists had hopes that this study will provide some clues as to why humans rose up and Neanderthals faded, but this has not been pointed out at the moment. However, scientists continue the study and they will probably find out everything that is relevant to this topic. “We are on course to publish a complete one-fold coverage by later this year,” says Green. Still, it’s not sure if this issue is genetic or not, so the evidence they will received might not be those expected.



36 Comments For First Neanderthal genome sequenced

  1. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …neander was our prometheus, the fallen angle, the titan
    iberi/hibernate/hibernian/invernal/hivier/invierno(sp)= in winter,
    on solstice, the sortest day of year so iuelî>iver/ver>ber=bear’s
    strength would push the year around to spring when the bear revives,
    like christ, in spring. whatever your theology<teotl(N)=deo/god,
    christianity has been around a long time in one form or another,
    and iueli(N) may be the oldest version, the teddy bear version.
    another god was firexylo-(gk)>sylvan(Lat)=wood. his name
    was, tletl(N)>(t)let(l)=letra/letter(ink from fire’s ashes), and,
    t/l/red/t/l=red. the teeth/tooth=tlantli(N)>tl/t/th/hand/tli was
    his 3rd hand for the firedrill bellows, which produced the flute,
    first musical instrument. possibly, tlantli/diente(sp)/dant(welch)/
    tand(dutch)/dan(sanskrit) was used to keep track of language and
    the stars, e.g., tilinqui(N)=fid used in weaving,>(ti)lincua(Lat)>
    lengua(sp), tilinia(N)>linea(sp)>line, as first computor. knot=
    ilpia(N)=skyguard,>hilpan(goth)>elpomai(gk)>help. from lagar velho
    child burial, indications are venus>uentli(N)=offering,>venison/venado(sp)=was the deer<deor(OE)se ven(7/deer’s place in book of souls/tonalli>tone/tune),>se(r)ve,
    >re ve(r)end, the social advantage of organized religion combined
    with high tech pressure flaking make possible by wendy’s horns,
    which were used at stonehenge(a solstice gathering)as wicks>uictli(N)=shovels, auictli(N)=water shovel(oar),vicar/viking.
    neander began it all. opened the heavens with the key of venus,
    structure of language, music/flute, the firedrill, the animal chirst, whether he bred with us or not(the garden of eden story,
    genesis, can be taken to mean eve<eua=leaves the garden for red knowledge). the fallen angel was our messenger to the gods and
    their greatest gift to us. the first music of language divine
    as heard and seen on earth and in the stars. neanders real place
    among our race is coming to pass as no living thing could ever resist the dance of creation.

  2. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …neander survived 275k years, driven west by the zeusdu(s)t, ch(r)onuscommotion. his father was the youngest titan<titlani(N)=messenger. why were they called the fallen angels. they didn’t live long: 45yrs, but they lived the
    life of the spiritspill/spiel. they managed their environment and sang their deeds. deer<deor(OE)<d/teot/l/r
    theo>deo was their wind, venus<venison<wendy<went<wend<gwendollinof(r)enda >offering goddess, who jumped as venus from horizon to horizon.
    when she was replaced by the weaving goddess, ehecatl/hecate(day2booksouls), the twins were born, xolotl clown blackdog
    eveningstar, god of tobacco(the dogwood tree), grown before
    mexico had corn. as macui>ma(s)k xochitl, he features in thorou’s
    maine woods as macuo xigil, his statue is a xolotl itzcuintli,
    quite like anubis(egyptian god of the dead), in fact he is evening
    star and the devild(r)ivel/d(r)ibble in the
    making. his twin is morningstar, announcing his father, tonatiuh,
    the sun,>tune/tone<tonalli(N)=soulsoil/hole of the universe.
    i suppose the sun’s real name is anthony, but neander’s first
    worshipped god was tletl>t/l/red/t/l>read, or, (t)letr/l>letter,
    also, (t)le(ña)(sp)=wood. and his wife, tlatla tzol teotl>fla(me)
    hole/(t)soul theo deo diosa. apparently a woman, regent of the
    mesoamerican calendar/neander euro cave calendar(chauvet pont d’arc
    where ther are 72 felines/ocelome(N)>(oc)elohim(hebrew), the number
    of times the book of souls/tonalamatl(260days/20×13/birth period)
    goes into a 52yr solar yr(4×13). from ocelotl>cell(E)luth(er)>luz(dar luz/birth)>slot/slut(E)>Lud(London/city).
    so neander had prioritys of singing, dancing and spirit. he was
    pre-edenic, didn’t pair off in the gray towers of marriage womano
    a mano<ma(N)=hunt sea/land with a net. manmanna(bible)>manitoa(N)=the flowing talker
    (the great spirit of the amerindians). at 72k bc or shortly thereafter, the gene pool of afrika eve<eva<eua(N)=leave began leaving the dark continent with thumbs which neander did not have
    and with an ethos of technology<tecpatl(N)=swapstone(knapping<
    nappaloa(N)=govern). the deer cult takes them up: such words as
    se(r)ve, serf, seven(the place of deor dior deer in booktunes).
    rabbit/tochtli(N)tocat(sp)>touchè.
    at lagar velho in the neander/cromag child burial one finds 8=
    ocho(sp)<tochtli ochre bones on the rt ankle, exactly<ixaci(N)
    rabbitslapìn(Fr)= earth prince’s position in the tonalamatl! cromag did not come out of afrika with a coherent
    language. the snake in the garden of eden(that eve leaves) is
    phallic, number 5/coatl(water mingling/at, is an english prep)
    is the phallic number of the fire drill fertility goddess in the
    boolsouls. the implication is that a neander/eve cross was attempted, and the result was the red(fire)apple, neander’s
    star knowledge, music, language, gods(yaweh<ya ue(N)=already big).
    language/Nauatl=4water<naua(N)=dance a reel<rheol< r/teo(t)l,
    hand over hand, takes aeons of time to develop as deeply as
    Nahautl pie has sliced itself into every language on earth,
    from the finns to the japanese/chinese<chi na(N) to russian/lett<tletl(N)/estonian<tonatiuh(N) to the hungarian/tocharian t/th/ho(r)ch/se>horse, basque<pachoa(N)
    to spanish<panoa to teuton<teu(tli)ton(atiuh)(N) to the celts<celtia
    (N)<cel/<ocleotl<ce(N)=one, to the italians<ittalo(N)<itta(N)=see,
    to the english<angle<an gaelcattle/cat), wind<uentli cathedralsekatheron(gk)=katherine(throw of shuttleheck/heckle>ca(s)t. the amerindian languages were laid down twice:
    at 22k bc(the gravettian mammoth hunting period: elephant<oliphant
    p/fami(t)lle(Fr)>family, the rolling/
    holy family), and the version of nauatl i use, 5kbpe, at 3309bc,
    the arrival of the quetzalcoatl/morningstar expedition, the beginninof the 5th age/naui ollin(N)/4movement(sosltices and equinoxes), the oldest mayan<mayana(N)=to be hungry, date, found
    1999, august, at palenque, chiapas, mex.
    neanders who managed their environment and live in balance with
    their surroundings lived in balance. they had necessity<monqui(N),
    but didn’t coin it: their money<monequi was their alma(sp/soul, and
    the russian name for neander) and they spent it for the life around them. we do not managethe pig. leave nothing but the mudmo(r)t/
    motley/ mo(n)tla>montañas/mountains of garbagecave.

  3. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …HTML ALWAYS MESSES UP MY SCRIPT/CIPACTLI(N/day1booktunes), the
    (s)c(r)ip/be. some omissions: zeus/deus/dust/teuhtli(N)=dust.
    chronus/comoni(N)=start the breakfast fire/commotion/comus/comedy.
    spirit/piloa(N)/spilla(ON)/spill/spiel.
    devil/teuitl=glass/drivel/dribble.
    man/mana=darse, presentarse, fluir/mana(bible)/manitoa=amerindian
    great spirit=the flowing talker.
    pig/pitzotl(N)=mud/soilpicker.
    motley/mo(r)t/mo(n)t/motla=your body, run up against stone/moat/
    (s)mote/mo(r)tal. this is the stoning word. tlacatl(N)=body(land
    being)/(s)lack/(s)lake/(hag)gard/dragon/(t)rack/la(n)guid.
    i suggest they redesign HTML, or not use it at all. it’s a
    typical cromag tech ballsup, divides and limits, just what naom
    chomsky has meant to linguistics: after me the flood!

  4. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …iueli(N/surname,lousiana)=powerful, i-u/v/be(a)r/l-i/iberia/
    hibernia/hibernate:i-uel-i/(h)iver(Fr)/i(n)v(i)er(no)(sp)/
    i(n)verness(scotland). the winter solstice cave bear, iueli,
    proto-christ<qu(r)i(s)toa=quitoa(N)=who talks, sacrifice whose
    strength and power used to move the sun on its shortest day, a
    neander rite, 300k bpe. in the book of souls=tonalli(N)/tone/tune/
    tonalamatl(N/mesoamerican calendar), iueli bear=oso(sp)/ozomatli
    (N/day11 of 20)=monkey, ozo/zo(N)=bleed/zoon/zoology, a generic
    term for ourselves, e.g., zoatl(N/primitive form of cihuatl/woman)/
    wahi(n)e(hawaiian/auia(N)=have, content). mozart is 7/ce uentli/
    one offering/ce uen(tli)=seven ozomatli, a christ figure, a fallen
    angel, and a bit of an animal! no que no? in any case, 11=mickey,
    the death lord, not only is ozomatli the 11th day, it’s the 11th
    trecena/13. ozomatli, himself, is the flower prince, xochipilli/
    xochiana(N)/shoshana/hosanna(shouted and thrown=flowers to the 4
    at christ on palm sunday).
    the roots of christianity are as deep in time as neander. why
    wouldn’t a race who lived with spirits, with animals as equal,
    as manager not destroyer, not be called the fallen angel? if
    we begin at gene pool/72k bc, our race of cromag eve has only
    lasted 1/4 the time of neander, and one thing is certain, whether
    he bred with us or not, a typical scientifico snarly, neander
    transferred to us in full the gods, venus/uentli, language/nauatl,
    music/the bearbone flute, dance/ d/t/tla(n)ca/itotia/mitotiani(N)/
    mitosis(E/physics)/naua(N)=to reel/rheol/ r/l/teotl(N)=god/goddess.

  5. Vicenzo Says:

    The shape of the Neanderthaler people does not show of a carnivorous kind. The tooth were all flat, like cows, oxes, horses.
    It means the Neaderthals were almost vegetarian.

  6. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …i agree with you, vicenzo. you see the name for the old fire god,
    tletl(N)>t/l/red/t/l, is amplified to, xiuhtletl, then xiuhtecuhtli,
    lord turquiose, lord of the year, time, and herbs=xiuitl(N)=año, turqueza, cometa, hierba, hoja. so we can assume once fire drill
    starts(tlatlatzolteotl, diosa del fire drill, venus de las cuevas,
    regente del tonalamatl/book souls=tonalli(N)>tonatiuh/dios sol,
    once fire drill begins, and by neander/prometheus/titan>titlani(N)=
    messenger, then neander becomes interested in herbs. this is seem
    in the lagar velho child child burial, portugal, by the 8=tochtli(N)=rabbit,>ocho(8) ochre(red painted)bones on the child’s ankle. the
    rabbit, tochtli, becomes their guide to herbs that are good and becomes a meal neander can ma(N)=hunt with a net/s(na)re,>ma(n)o(sp)
    =hand<tl/t/th/hand/t/li(the english word, hand comes from tan/diente/tooth: the third hand, used in fire drill and weaving).
    most of the graves we have found of neander are groups in extremis
    whose last resort was hunting to avoid starvation, but the elites,
    who were in a settled environment, e.g, romania, the soca river,
    had a balanced diet that was more vegetablewick
    and fish(for iodine to assure healthy babys: lack of iodine means
    the brain and nervous system don’t develop, making their bodys look
    like the cave venuses(venus of willendorf for example). the interesting thing about xiuhtletl is that herbs/xiuitl bring on
    the measuring of time, heavens(comet), and the health to reason
    these things out. a pure meat diet would not produce the results
    that yerbas did. based on this difference, any neander group that had fire would have had the upward path to the gods they handed us,
    to the calendar/timet/th/he(r)mes=
    the messenger, to the musical ceremonys surrounding the cave bear
    and the deertheo>deo, giving them the social surplus/
    ease to develop nauatl and the rudiments of weaving and the stargazing and charting of venus based on weaving, which they used
    as the first computor/memory rebus for language and the heavens.
    that’s why they are the fallen angel, that’s why, ilpia(N)=skyknot
    (=to tie),hilpan(Goth)>help(E),
    implies the knotting of weaving at an early stage in the sea of time
    neander swum/swims in(300k bc). how can one believe neander did nothing for these hundreds of millenia, when clearly his knowledge
    was what cromag eve sought out of eden through the phallic snake,
    e.g., the 5th venus arch has been found at chauvet pont d’arc
    where i believe the calendar was in an advanced stage: 5 in the book
    of souls/tonalamatl is the number for, tlatla tzol teotl, the flame
    drill goddess and regent of the 260 birthing calendar, which revolves 72/73 times in 52solar years(of 360), her animal is the
    ocelotl/feline, the birthing animal, and felines appear 71 times in
    chauvet pont d’arc according to the natl geo article, which also said, there were 420 drawings in total, 20×20plus 20, 20 being the
    digits of finger and toes, the counting rebus for neander and our
    species, and the basis/cempoalli(N)=20,>sample(E)for the tonalamatl/
    tzolkin(mayan). cromag suffers from pride since he left animal gods for himself. it was a horrible choice, so full of hubris that it has
    driven us to the brink of extinction after only 72k yrs/gene pool
    afrika. the only thing we owe jesus is an apology. me perdone pero
    asì es la verdad. humildamente, carlos.

  7. carlos lascoutx Says:

    ,,,why do we owe an aplogy to jesus? well, first we look at the japanese word, jose(J)=story tellers, house where storys are told,
    vaudeville even. hmmm, the japanes were in the alrai<altia(N)
    mountains before the islands. religion comes from the east unto the west. then there are the greek orphic orphano(r)ph/pilli>orphan. ok, orpheus was an orphan and he is the first the western world, through the gates of
    greece, hears of a man who goes to hell<h/th/tetl/tletl=stone/fire
    and back. josè, the name of jesus’s father is a marker for the japanese origin of the story, and rooted back to the (N)ahuatl=
    yo(tl)ce(N)=I/yo(sp)ce/(al)one=I alone, which confirms the later
    orphan orpheus, that jesus had no parents in proto-myth. his
    mother was wind/venus hecate, mother of quetzalcoatl morning star.
    mary, jesus, ehecatl/hecate and quetzalcoatl appear together
    in king theodric’s san apollinari mosaic, which google. mary
    appears with jesus in her lap enthroned. ehecatl appears numerically
    as the 2 archangels each on either side of mary, her day in book
    souls=2. quetzalcoatl appears numerically as the 22 virgen martyrs,
    as his birthday, 9 ehecatl, his mother’s name, is on the 22d day
    of the birthing calendar book of souls. hecate seems to have had
    no husband. mary had to have one so scholars used jose(J)/story
    telling for jesus’s father, josè, to mark origin, i.e., the play,
    I, alone=jose. and mary conceives by the wind of what was her previous identity, ehecatl/hecate/venus, goddess of all young things, e.g., cattle<ecatl, and is now, through the genius of
    the church, the holy spirit. to make an even finer fit, the holy
    trinity is ehecatl/hecate/venus’s old number, 3=calli(N)=where
    the being resides/house. not finding a proper house was one of the
    significant twists of the bethlehem story.
    now that i’ve finished this, i wonder if a dramatic search of
    near/fareast orphan storys might not come up with the jose(J)?

  8. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …this to fred, who wrote about wolf, and anyone else interested
    in how wolf became wolf, the word. begin with wulpa(OHG) then skip
    to Simeon/Nauatl. there are no outright w’s in nauatl, they are
    formed by 2 letters= ua(N)>own, ual(N)>barbar(russ)>barbarian(E)
    >war(E), and, in fact, ual(N/adverb)>(to)war(d), in english.
    so wulpamano(sp), that the nauatlaca were amphibious as hunters, so that we can guess their verbs, ualpanuetzi included, also apply to land. surging from below is what wolves do when
    their prey has sought refuge in trees or elevation, an element
    of ualpanuetzi, panuetzi(N)=elevarse,climb:sweat, is an
    instruction on how to avoid the danger of wolves, included
    in the word itself in coded form, e.g., mallardwhet
    (E)=sharpen, means to hurry, as in, whet an appetite, which is
    what wayfarers do to wolves when they pass through their territory.

  9. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …i guess i am too wordy, ramble all over the place, and will have to stay on theme and manage this subscription. thank you for flensing my latest entry: words are a whale of a subject and one
    leads to another and another like elfinstones or their reverential,
    tetl>tletl. elfin<(el/the old word for green/cel)fin<pinpixie(E)>fingir(sp)>fi(n)ger(E). pi/opic(N)>pick,
    qui(N/Lat)=who>hva(OE)ow(n). mallard(E)<ma tl/ll a(r)tl/t/d=
    matlatl(N)=net(how the mallard is taken). mazatl(N)=deer<deortheo-(G/prefix)>deo(Lat),>maze(E), animal taken by surprise and
    labyrinth(herded into enclosure), then, >mazard(E)=deer cherry/
    mazzard(E)=head, mazaxocotl(N)=deer cherry,<mazatl xocotl(N)=
    o(r)ch/c ard. there i go again. must be turret’s syndrome for
    linguists.

  10. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …pixie is from piqui(N)=create, but like religion, one still believes.

  11. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …HTML, you are a bad storage system for one who uses all the keys.
    you are like a garbage compactor, crushing and mutilating my entrys.
    have you a brain, HTML, or just an appetite to get information wrong? i forgive you and will find a way around you. you come from
    below, like a whelp wolf(E)/wulpa(OHG)/ualpanuetzi(N)=to come from
    below water/land. i will be in my tree/treow(OE)/teotl(N)/theo/deo/
    theother(E/2words)of leornian(OE)learning(E)/ l/teotl waiting to
    laugh/naualaua(N)=lau gh/ ual/rai=warai(Japanese)= lau gh. ha ha.
    machine/mecanic/mecania(N)=hang in air/mecatl(N)=string/me(r)cado
    (sp)/merch/ca(n)t/l.
    now where was i? oh yes, the difference between a tiger and a
    bear. well/uel(N), previous posts on iueli(N)=`powerful/ i uel i
    u/ver/l ber be(a)r, show it was named for its strength, and adjective. tiger/tic/ger/l/tl=ticitl(N)=midwife:doctor. why?
    because we go back to the caves where Nauatl was the language
    and the feline/ocelotl(N) was the birthing animal of tlatla
    tzol teotl/the flamehole/firedrill diosa. the name, tiger, is
    a reminder of our cave origens and the totem animal of midwives.
    the naming of tiger as midwife/ticitl(N) with (r)inclusion means
    it came later in time than, say, lion/leon(sp), which employs
    the elements/letters of ocelotl(N) in scrambled form, as ounce(E) and lynx do also.

  12. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …i have 2 posts on, matilda’s gobleki, blog if she approved them.
    if not i can retrieve them for those interested. they deal with
    zatal huyuk and the implications/what we are looking for at gobleki.
    some of the material used here has been used there, e.g., tlatla
    tzol teotl is out of the cave hunting with her totem animals and
    running a breeding station, trading with lady birdsnake of belgrade
    on the danube, who is the new weaving goddess, and has taken over the function of wendy uentli venado/venison as venus/life goddess,
    and is the mother of the twins, morning and evening, protodevil
    and protochrist/quetzalcoatl. note: zeus was an aryan skygod first
    known to the greeks as a snake(another birdsnake). once weaving,
    hecate/ehecatl(day2booksouls)/ekatheron(Gk) heck heckle we have
    an invisible(wind)humiform goddess who gives birth to sky god
    twins like herself, which marks the transfer of goddesses to gods,
    and may have started zeus deus warring with his father and driving
    the neander remnant to an isle in the british/briton b/p(r)i ton=
    pitli/older sister/p(r)i(es)t of the sun/ton atiuh(N), to an isle
    in the british archipelago.

  13. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …as i study gobekli(turk)tepe(turk)tepetl(Nauatl)=mountain, really
    2words in (N)=tetl pepena/piled stone, i am impressed how little
    information is forthcoming from a german archeo.dig, but perhaps this is due to a combination of conservatism(pun) and the yield at
    gobekli/copina tleco(N)=rising cup. gobekli means hub, navel, belly
    dancing, paunch. locals named it, surely for its appearance, and we
    can only guess what originals called it. as i am convinced the builders spoke an early form of nauatl, i will hazard a guess as
    to what they called gobekli, from the shape of the stones in T form, the means by which it was constructed, to its function, i would say its name was, Tanatl(N)=capacho/2-man sling, later, the
    greek word, thanatos/death, as it seems to be burial ground and
    was in turn buried when abandoned. because the oldest word for
    fire, tletl(N), includes letra/letter, and ink is as old as ash,
    it may be possible that the priests pitli(N)=older sisters of
    this quasi-phallic palli(N) hunting cult may have worshipped
    consonants, such as the early letter, T, this seems fantastic but
    language is a matter of increment, e.g., Tecpatl is the priestly
    sign in mesoamerica, but means stone/te knapping/napaloa(N)=
    govern(4/na), as tetl ca patla(N)=alternate/swap/paddle(E).
    the animals carved on the T-stones may symbolize the efficacy
    and worship of the knapping/Tecpatl tradition: its glorification.
    tecpatl(N)=day18 Tonalamatl, another T for Tonatiuh/Anthony,
    the sun god. we may be dealing with post-gravettian Toniti here,
    as in, teu ton teuhtli tonatiuh, dust/the upstone sungod.
    the repeated pig/pitzotl motive may be day10 tona, itzcuintli,
    which today is dog, but is named for its slashing teeth, first
    known as tepeitzcuintli/mountain(tepe)dog and seems to share
    a niche with the wild boar, is in the middle of the 20 days of
    the book of souls and his lord is: mictlantecuhtli, the deathlord.
    the fox carvings, well, the name fox comes from pozoni(N)to be
    angry, rabid: poz foz fox, and is a late word, but there is
    another in nauatl, epatl, the word for skunk, in mesoamerica,
    the stinkweed, epazotl, a comestible herb cooked with beans to
    reduce sparks/chispas, is named after this animal, but it is an
    old word, includes the ancient(N)word for green, found twice inside
    the english word, g/c(r)ee(n), and patla(N/verb)=paddle back and
    forth, the tail like a paddle. so the fox may be a rejuvenating symbol, as the etruscan prayer goes: ati/atl(N), cathe/ecatl(N),
    luthe/(oce)lotl(N), cel/(o)cel(otl)(N)…ocelome(N/plural)/
    (oc)el(o)him(Hebrew/ h/th/tepe ua(N)=mountain owner). cel(Etr)
    is birth/rebirth. any felines at gobekli are birthing animals.
    lions are leon(sp) l/teotl theo deo: leo(r)nian learning theology.
    i believe the teteo/N/plural teotl)are as old as tree treow teotl,
    reel(dancing)rheol r/l/teotl, and reed rheod r/l/teotl rod rood.
    9.5k bc is nothing to nauatl, try 300k bc neander, 40k bc
    neander/cromag eve, the red deer deor d/teotl(N) cult. oh, i forgot
    daleth(Phoenician/letter D) from nauatl, Taletec(N)=lizard, another
    T, and, Tec/-tec. guess the letter D/lizardhead, tale-(N)=tlalli(N)
    =earth/(t)la(n)d(E). the people at Tanatl are following the neander
    lifestyle of hunting, competing with animals at almost their level,
    there is a hint of managing them as well(all those corrals de piedra, and later they go to russia and become people of the horse,
    rhubarb rawend(arab) rha(old name of volga for the tlatla/flame
    tlatlauentli(N)=flame offering of rhubarb on its banks used as
    the first tea, horse and cowshit give it its tlatla/flame color)
    and these are the people, scythians et al. who trade wheat to greece
    in the minoan, and, from where (r) enters language, e.g. yrosheet
    (russ)=harvest, rosh russian rose, but oyl/ros oylos(ceres) oilia(N/reverential of oya oox(N)=desgranar el maìz). ach! ay(N) aci(N)
    aqui(N/sp)=enterm aq(egypt)=enter aqhet(egypt)=springtime. so one
    can say wheat/uitequi(N)=thresh, once discovered stays wheatwedded to the discoverers in a marriage=namiqui(N)=4death, only, do us part. what’s in a name is marriage and miquiztli(N)=death, the biter/nick mick. st. michael is the old deathlord, paired with
    xolotl, the evening star, as the x/folo following fool, who has
    the dog(his original form)between his legs in the Tarot/tlalotli(N)=earth road.

  14. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …gobekli belly dance. let me talk more of the animals found on
    the T stones. lizard is day4 book souls, cuetzpallin(N)=the rising
    palli phallus, which has the priapic ueue/old coyote coyotl, the hole digger, on its day, which is 4. we are 4, uan(N)=own4(limbs),
    as in uanyolqui(N) wyandote, blood relative of the huron(a french word). uan(N)= one(E). 4/naui is the growth sign, no center, for
    that we have, 5.coatl co(r)al/tl snake snaca(E) nacatl(N) nachat
    (Yiddish)=pleasure, or macui(N)=5, the irish prefix, mac-=son of.
    4/naui, in the word, cenauatitiuh(N)=final good-bye of mourning,
    the ordinary sayonara of the japanese taken from this word. so,
    we have lizard/taletec/cuetzpalli as a symbol of good-bye
    and the solution for permanence, the phallic/palli(N), which is
    a pa int(E)word. often a word is offered with it’s solution, or
    comes around to its opposite, e.g., icnoa(N)=where/
    ic no/my a/atl/water=deserving, and contains the name, noah(Genesis)
    whose story is all about water and who deserves, the verb icnoa(N)
    coming from, icnopilli(N) o(r)pilli orfeo(gk) orphan. what is where/
    ic no/my child/pilli to do but be deserving? so back to lizard/
    day4 book souls, if we count out the alfabet(E): abcD/4/daleth/
    taletec.
    the fox we revisit, not just as resurrection implied in epatl,
    but as his role in the spirit world. the sanskrit=puc, and is said
    to refer to his bushy tail: puc popoca(N)=smoke pom(mayan)
    =incense/ pom fom fume fumar(sp) humo(sp). if we jump to the russian, we find, dym=smoke dyx=spirit, mind, ghost
    dymat/dewmat=think tyman=fog, from, to mana(N)=our/to- mana/flow
    tlalli mana(N) tlalmana(N)=land flow, alma(sp/russian name for
    neander). so the fox, a spirit in japanese myth also, with his
    long tail, is a remembrance of once living spirit.
    the scorpion(E) scol/rpio(n)=colotl(N) coloa(N)=coil cu(r)l(E)
    coleen(goil gurl girl) color, means to return, and perhaps from
    the dead/ d/tetl(N)= (s)te(tl)in=in tetl(N)=the stone/ stena(russ)=wall, tenamitl(N)=stonedart, wall/ tane(Jap)=fruit pit(hueso)/
    stone(E) tonatiuh(N) sunstone/ tun(mayan): the reverential of,
    tetl=tletl(N)=fire, the inclusive (l)= ollin(N)= holy roll(of
    lava volcanic).
    gobekli has enough elements of death/life in its temple/tentli
    piloa(N)=lip spill, or, tetl(N/m) piloa= tempiloa(N)=stone spill,
    carved on its T pillars/piloa(N)=from on high, pilot. spiel/spilla
    (ONorse) to be what the joint turkish/german venture says it is.
    oh, tanatli(N), not tanatl, altho the suffix, -tli, is later
    than suffix, -tl. but speaking of, tli-(N) as prefix, the dominant
    word in that configuration is, tlil(N)=black/Lilith(Goddess darkness)/lilac lilly(flowers)/lilt(E). tks

  15. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …more on gobekli/tanatli. it occured to me to apply t/letr/tl
    letra in forward gear on tanatli/thanatos and i come up with: t/dana/tli= danaans(Gk)= the minoans who arrived in greece from
    southern asia minor c. 3k bc, quite a bit after gobekli was covered and abandoned by using tanatli(N)/capachos(sp)/2-man slings, if one
    imagines they had to use a device of this sort to move earth, and,
    to carry the bodys in funeral procession, as pallbearers still do
    today, but with tanatli i believe it may have been 2 tanatli and
    4(the number of good-bye, lose the center, navegate as spirit/ghost
    to mictlan through the 9 vados/crossings with red/bermejo dog as guide, after using a boatman to cross the river, etc.), i say,
    4 pall bearers. john A. scott said, from sources in Homer, that
    the danaan were long-haired and blond, which the wikipedia note
    says has been discounted without mentioning authority. blond,
    green-eyed is the sign of the neander cross. red hair also and
    most likely blue-eyes and freckles also. every indication at
    gobekli indicates a neander hunting-management pattern, i.e,
    horse went to people who hunted horse in rodeo style(neander),
    and grain/rhubarb are connected with horse culture, which means
    first turkey, if you wish, then back to russian riverine where
    it all began in the gravettian mammoth period, kostenkij. this
    area was also the terminous for afrika eve’s migration out of
    afrika, which i have as early, 72k bc, the gene pool date, to
    compensate for shrinkage of the scholastic mind. this area of the riverine, in the moskva slot, was heartland of healthy neander
    who needed iodine to develop brain and nervous system and found
    it by farming fish, as in, cipactl tzi p/bag r/l/t= bagre(sp)=
    catfish/hornpout: cipactli is first day, book of souls, and
    becomes scribe/script/cipapu(Hopi)/mississippi(amerindian for river)
    /sip(E/verb). the words, gossip, ceppuku, and cipapu(hole of origin)
    refer to the castrating of the maguey wine and rope plant by
    cipactli, member of the quetzalcoatl expedition, 3309bc, the
    scribe, in fact. the amoxoque/book people are another name for
    them. they had books/amostli/amuse/muse/music and herbal books
    and callendar according to mesoamerican legend. it’s hit or myth
    in linguistic archeology. tks.

  16. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …the idol stones at gobekli are called, toptli(N). tops(E).
    toptia(N/verb)/opt(E)/ op/bey=obey. topile(N)=alguacil/police.
    once that we have to discover what the policy at gobekli toptli
    was. toptli(N)/tohopa(OE)hope(E), so one can assume the birdsnake
    priests(planet venus offering/uentli(N)cult)played with the hopes
    of their subjects in the form of promises, afterlife? the toptli
    t/th/hopi(amerindian/kachina toptli)tribe traces back to the
    anazazi?, who were known for cannibalism, and that we have at
    gobekli, sheep and human blood on altar. the aztecs, a venus cult,
    ditto, cannibals. the meat of human offering was thrown down the
    temple steps as tenderizer, then hauled off to the barrios or
    the home of the merchant who offered. hands were said to be quite
    tasty. it may be that idol/toptli worship is necessary precursor
    of towns and villages as, village=toptli(N)=t/tho(r)p(OE/ON/OSaxon)
    =t/do(r)f/p=dorf(Ger). in fact first towns surround gobekli, almost
    contemporary with the last stages of belly button hill. something
    about the navel,(all n-words=naui=4),=xictli(N)/xicotl(N)=bumblebee.
    the hopi call their hole of origin, cipapu, referring to opening
    the ombligo of the maguey by cipactli(day1booksouls), ceppuku(Jap)
    belly suicide. oddly enough, the japanese may have been the major-
    domos of the olmeca quiahuizteca/rain, who, threatened by the 2d
    coming of quetzalcoatl, the mayan, who came in through the rio
    verde, san luis potosì, and left the northernmost mayan tribe
    there, the hua-/cuexteca, threatened by the mayan at the foot of
    their mountain, popocatepetl/smoking mountain, got drunk and their
    calpixqui/mayordomos had to fight the mayan invaders, and won,
    sending the mayans south(cf., anales de chimalpajin, sylvia rendòn).
    instinct tells me these were japanese from the altai mountains,
    not yet on the islands at c.1.5k bc, well, not just instinct.
    japanese is as close to nauatl as a language can get, finnish
    a little further, their word for work is orchard in nauatl,
    xocotl(N)/ (x)o(r)co, and their word for life means, to ferment,
    what the maguey metl plant does best, always fermenting. so the
    japanese come into prominence for the first time as majordomos
    in someone else’s orchard/maguey patch. their fighting spirit
    came from somewhere, why not here, in a feat of arms(and legs)
    that amerindian history recorded in its painted books. the last
    peice of the puzzle is the nearness of both japanese and nauatl,
    so close that 147 japanese words are made from one nauatl
    word, xitini(N)=to drop, and yes, the x(N)=sh. check sanseido’s
    if you don’t believe: words are in the english alphabet.

  17. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …the oldest civilization? that would have to have the promethean neander link. at gobekli we are looking at idols=toptli(N), whose
    worship is used to control the population as work force. it comes late, 9.5k bc, whereas, cave bear iueli(N) is a neander rite that
    later becomes christ, which can be dated at latest, 40k bc, the
    glaciation that drove neander and emerging from afrika cromag into
    the caves and left the booksouls marked with day7 se ven/ce uen(tli)(N)/se(r)ve(E)/ciervo(sp)/cerf, serf/the se(r)vice of offering/hirvi(Finnish)/even, evenki(deer tribes, russia). besides its flesh, the
    deer antler opens a new field of pressure flaking for weapons/
    uipana(N)=call the people into line/ufano(sp)=proud, masterly/
    ufano(Gk)=weave. the (i) of u(i)pana drops out, as the (i) in
    chitoni(N)=spark(on top/chi-toni/tone), to make, ch(i)thonic(Gk),
    it’s the fire drill word for, light/E/verb). then there is,
    hezle(basque)=teacher, trainer/eztli(N)=blood. teachers are in
    charge of the blood, which bespeaks a priestly tradition of sacrifice, and similar to afrikan tribal/tribu(sp)/t(r)epulli(N)=
    male member, to afrikan tribal initiation. toptli gobekli at 9.5
    k bc seems to be looking forward to what was to happen in egypt,
    and possibly where its gene pool went. that an early version of
    the sphinx is found at this same time, 9.5k bc, in syria means
    the solar cult was operating as the sphinx or phoenix/poa nex(tli)
    (N)=count/poa/phoe-nix/nex tli=ash. the value of sphinx/phoenix is
    13, the solar sweeper on the aztec calendar stone, and the counter-
    weight to leapyear. the solar year is 674 sec short of being 1/4
    of a day each of the 4yrs of the leap/bisiesto, so while we add a
    day every 4yrs, the shortfall count is rolling every year and
    after, 674×130yrs we have to subtract a day. so i think what we
    are seeing at gobekli is the rise of astronomy as god, solar astronomy in particular. ra(egy/sungod) is nothing more than,
    rha(old name for volga)/ rh/r/l/tlatla(N)/flame, the consort of
    tletl/t/l/red/t/l. but, aten/tentli(N)=lip, the egyp cult of sun
    as disk/edge. there is something definitely not chthonic/chitoni
    about toptli gobekli. we’ve moved from nature’s law to the law
    of man made for man, who transfers belief to an idol as false as
    he once was true. and the citys arise.

  18. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …agriculture. when does it begin? wheat/uitequi(N)=thresh begins
    with hunters on the plain going after pasturing animals. neander
    was a hunter, the gobekli hunt brought wheat home and domesticated
    animals, especially bull, cow, horse, the whole rodeo corral.
    at 100k bc, before eve shashayed/xaua(N)/showed out of afrika,
    ayotl/turtle neander was in the levant, at mt. ca(r)mel/camileua,
    camiliui(N)=to yellow up, mature, speaking of fruits/ca(r)mel(Hebrew)=fruitful. they were in small groups, their diet 40% ayotl(N)=heart of the water. ayotl is listed by hobson-jobson, the great
    anglo-indian dictionary as source of the word, judea, and it well
    may be. nauatl has yuhti(N)=from the beginning, the word just,
    justice comes from, also from that, yu(r)t/yeti(himalaya/name for
    neander). himalaya from, h/th/timallo(N)=pus, supperation(the melt,
    sherbet, sorbete(sp)/tzol petla). along with ayotl, is, ayotli(N)=
    squash(calabaza/quaxicalli(N)=cranium/quaitl xicalli/calli (s)quash), zucchini(derived from quaxicalli also), probably because
    it was green like the turtle/ayotl. so neander goes there in small
    numbers, leaves the cave for tierra/telluric/tlalli(N) on the surface, and, as ca(r)mel/mature yellow tells us, begins orchard
    culture, squash culture, in small groups, small enough so the ayotl/
    turtle, a fragile culture doesn’t disappear despite their 40% diet
    of it, 100k bc. in one of the caves, a burial, they find 8 different
    species of flowers, some medicinal, if not all, and english archys
    say it was an accident. one has only to look at lagar velho child
    burial to see ocho tochtli/eight rabbit bones on the ankle. ocho/
    tochtli, day8booksouls/tunes, is rabbit/tochtli(N), from, toca(N)=
    our/to-ca/being, meaning to sow seed/to touch. isn’t that agriculture, the number of? this idea that our ancestors were stupid
    only means that we are, and probably because we buy our food instead
    of husband it. ocho/tochtli/8 is infinity because it is the seed
    number. for seed, one goes to the spanish, semilla(sp), from,
    semill/tta= s/cemitta(N)=center look, go from center, examine
    someone from the seed up, one/ce(m)-itta/look. what the ca(r)mels
    were: the fruits in neander’s orchards were, perhaps, almond/
    alme(n)dra(sp)/amigdalis(gk)/(tl)almatzalin(N)=almond, referring
    to the way harvested, with a net/matzalin mazatl malinalli matlatl,
    or rather, in a mat of tzalan(N)=between/tzallantli(N)=canyon, in
    this case separation by rows,going on to, tzaragi/tzalagi(cherokee)=
    their name for themselves: people/gi=ki of the tzala(ntli)/sala(sp)/
    canyon. the choctaw called cherokee, chilluki, chillu being the
    xococ(N)=sour mouth(they filed their teeth and painted them black)/
    x/sh/choc taw/tlantli/tooth?, chillu being their name for cave, but
    we have to go with what the cherokee/chiluki called themselves, as
    tzala gi/ki forms the name, allegheny/alleghany/(tz)alan(tl)i,
    the -gha- refers to, gha/ga/ka/ca(N)=being, that the range is
    livec in, also, ca may refer to calli(N)=house, as in, ca(lli)ue/
    ca-ve. back to turtle neander ayotl/ayotli at ca(r)mel,
    include the other amigdalis, the peach, which has 2 sources in
    nauatl, pechteca(N)=to bow/pecho(sp)=chest(pechuga, referring to
    its fatness of chest or the bowing one does to pick up drops),
    and, pisca(N/mex/sp)=harvest/pesca(sp)/fisk(Iceland)/fish, so we
    start with a peach and end up with a fish, what a marriage!
    according to the old greek 7 seasons, an orchard culture calendar,
    harvest time, opora/opouh(N)=the counting/opportune(E), was notably
    windy and stormy, which is exactly/ixaci(N) the trecena(13)of
    harvest/(qui)(h)a(r)ui(s)tl=quiahuitl(N/trecena7booksouls)= who/
    qui(N/Lat)-rains/-ahuitl/a(r)i(s)to(gk), and the 7th day of the
    7th trecena, booktunes, =7coatl/snake, the mesoamerican goddess
    of feast and famine, and, as i have said elsewhere, is the empress
    and the star in the tarot/tlalotli(N)=earth’s road. note the contnuum of deer culture here in the number 7/ce uentli/one offering, its number in the book of souls: from wendy to 7 snake.

  19. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …i wonder if the carving on the t stones at gobekli aren’t
    tribal totems as developed later in egypt and amerindia?
    each one representing a caste of the population with specific
    duties. perhaps we are looking at the organization chart of
    the gobekli area. i hesitate to call them shamans, as that is
    a much misused word, from the nauatl/4riverwater, chamaua(N)=
    to grow, get fat(children/chamaco, mex slang): to mature(corn):
    to praise, exalt, ennoble someone. there is also, xamani(N), but
    means, break, destroy. i suppose both words encompass a shaman’s
    power, but the positive version has my nod. nauatl itself, through
    myth, the bible, is mentioned in the location of eden as the
    4rivers/Nauatl(N)=4waters. the buzzard/tzopilotl/cozcacuauhtli(N)=
    the jeweled eagle, king buzzard priests, cozcacuauhtli is day16,
    booksouls, 4×4, the southern post of the universe(16th trecena/
    16th day)of the grain quadrant, in cards it’s suit is diamonds,
    as the diamond is a stylized grain. the feather working is intriguing, the aztecs used the word, amanteca(N)=artisan, mecanic/
    mecania(N)=hang in air, mecatl(N)=mecha(sp)=wick, string, later on,
    me(r)cado(sp)/market. has rope fiber been found at gobekli? there
    must have been a thriving feather industry, and perhaps they
    hunted with rope, certainly snares. the dakota/ d/t/tlac/kota/tli=
    tlacotli(N)=slave sioux/tzouia(N)=hunt(buffalo)with rope. are
    there any sumptuous burials, or was the burial by air(buzzard)?,
    and the bones usually belong to the gods. more questions than answers at the moment. cozcatl(N)=jewel, precious stone, rosary
    bead, collar(sp)=necklace, probably, cozy/c(l)ose/c(r)oss in
    english, in turkish, c/guz=autumn/a gos to(sp)/au gus t(E),
    guzel(turk)=beautiful, excellent. so august is the yellow=coztic(N)
    time. one last, the result of surfing onto a mormon site, no,
    thank you: ankh(egypt)=the amulet given to child when umbilical
    is cut, from, anca(N)=one’s equal, or what is united to something
    else. Egyptian is in the 4riverwater/Nauatl tradition without
    doubt. the diaspora at gobekli went south and north. to the south
    the nile, to the north, the uitequi(N)=thresh/wheaters, the horse
    and rhubarb/rawend(arab)/ r/l/tlatla uentli(N)=flame ofrenda/
    offering/ravenna/raven people of the volga, old name=rha=r/l/tlatla
    (N)=fla(me)river. oh, yes, umbilical/ome piloa calli(N)=2spilled
    being, as in, ombligo(sp)/ome piloa co(N)=2spillcomes. ya.

  20. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …Zeus deus teuhtli(N)=du(s)t was the son of the youngest titan
    titlani(N)=messenger, chronus comus comoni(N)=light the breakfast
    fire, a chthonic(gk) chitoni(N)=spark task related to promethean
    neander. now the greeks take titan and say he’s big. like yaweh/
    ya ue(N)=already big, yet, the actual root of titan=titlani(N)=
    messenger. so what was the message? fire/xile/xylo-(gk)/sylvania(Lat) for one, silla(sp)=chair/sillìn(sp)=banco)sp=stool(E)/(s)toloa
    (N)=tolerate/door/dolorous, hard to sit/ceti(N) those 3 legs/calli(N/day3booksouls)=
    house/calli ue(N)=ca(lli)ves. we know along with firedrill tlatla
    tzol teotl comes music, the flute bellows/piloa(N)=spilla(ONorse),
    spills, that the third hand, tlantli/ tl/t/th/hand/t/li=tooth:
    much wear on inside surface of neander incisors, so fire/tletl
    t/letr/tl=letra also. with music/amoxtli(N)=book comes word/woid
    /oido(sp)=ear/oito itoan(N)=talk, tlatolli(N). never mind the
    retrenched argument his glottis couldn’t recite today’s alfabet:
    another brilliant misuse of science to shield/chieltia(N) the
    truth/troth/tlot tlatolli(N) from forever ungrateful cromags who
    might think they’re are not the crown of creation. from what i’ve
    seen we are stuck between morning and evening star, our mother is
    the wind, and for all intents and purposes we are wanderers who
    jump from one horizon to the next. not so with neander: he was a
    watcher, learner, when the earth was young and worshipped real gods,
    beginning with animals/anemalhuiliztli(N)=torpid, gross, obscene,
    which earned him the name, fallen angel. a lot has been made of
    his other names in book enoch: nephillim, anakim, both words refer
    to his poor reproductive capability: pilli/philli/children,
    a(N/privativo prefix=no)nacatl(N)=no flesh, snaka(OE)snake(E).
    how is it that zeus, aryan skygod first known to the greeks
    as a snake, is the son of a neander? there at the highest level
    of gk myth, we have evidence of a cross, or, godlike neanders,
    whose mothers had the full complement of iodine during pregnancy?
    all myth telescopes, as father of athena/atena/atentli(N)=waterlip,
    in this case, a draught of mother metis/metl(N)=maguey plant which
    he swallows, atena is born fully dressed and with spear, her mother
    on the pectoral atena wears(from a 4th c. roman copy of a greek statue). metis appears ainu/polynesian/olmec and wears her hair
    in waves like a rope goddess should. there are also 7 snakes/
    chicome coatl, the harvest goddess of the harvest 7th trecena,
    booksouls. the spear of venus and her corinthian helmet are reminders of the mother, metis/metl(N)/metal, mettle, miel, mead,
    medicine, methe(gk/drink), mëd(russ). the spear of metl is called,
    quiotl(N), later a version of, quill(E) and the novel, Quijote,
    by cervantes. the helmet is a fathful reproduction of the tip
    of the quiotl/qui(N/Lat)=who otli(N)=ruta, route, odos(gk), ot
    (russ/preposition), road, o(r)der, meaning vein also, e.g.,
    odol(basque)= (b)lood(E). as the quetzalcoatl expedition dates
    as the oldest mayan memory, 3309bc, and the bookpeople/amoxoaque(N)
    with the expedition, like darwin’s, made an inkwell of metl/metis,
    or perhaps provided the literature and propagation for its cult,
    which reached its apogee with ome/2 rabbit/tochtli, vicar and composer for the pulque/poliuqui(N)=pollute choir. mexico is a
    respectable word now, but the first mexica were called, mecitli(N)=
    the maguey rabbits for their devotion to metis. how did zeus get
    hold of a glass? this implies a sea age and a rope age that historians, spotty creatures that they are, have missed like
    the dormouse at alice’s banquet.

  21. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …let’s see. zeus deus teuhtli(N)=du(s)t(E) is son fo chronus
    commotion comoni(N)=start the breakfast fire(the co(s)mos), and he,
    chrony, was the youngest titan titlani(N)=messenger, whom we know
    as our prometheus, neander. there in pro meth eus we have the name,
    metl(N)=maguey plant=metis, rope goddess and pulque poiluhqui(N)=
    who pollutes but is medicine, miel, mëd(russ), miel, mead, honey
    conecuhtli(N)=rabbit(comes to the c/ch/honey), and zeus drinks her
    to birth, atena atentli(N)=by water’s lip. athena comes out dressed,
    wearing a corinthian helmet, the patent quiotl(N)/quixote(novel) of
    her mother’s maguey, and sporting a spear, which fact the romans,
    bellicose bull people that they are(itallo(N)=seen, approved), take
    the early word, mitl(N)=missile(spear) and the verb, eua(N)=leave, eve, to make, mi(n)e(r)va, with (n)/(r) inclusions, the label (n)=
    nauatl, and, (r) from minoan 3k bc, to give her a name more in line
    with mithra mitl(N), head of the army cult, associated back to the bull, whose earliest rep is tla tla tzol teotl of zatal huyuk, 7k bc, and from thence to chauvet pont d’arc and the magician maquiza(N)=hand sqeeze/quiza, escape from danger, as the french maquis ww2.
    that there were cave wars, 40k or earlier, is expressed in the word,
    pantera, which is from, pantli pamitl p/famille(Fr), meaning flag.
    the first flag had the birthing animal on it. this may have been
    an epoch when caves were city states and warred with each other,
    or perhaps a totem animal of people in a gobekli universe, whose
    animal they served. me? i’m for the detroit lions, but they’re not
    in detroit anylonger. the pantera pantli(notice the word, pants(E)
    here. wearing my flags today. this episode of pantera flags may
    have been at the time there were 7/seven/ s/ce uen tli(N)=one ofrenda caves ca ue(N)=big house/calli. the ocelotl/feline cult
    is cave, the mother rowing race of mexico, the olmecatl are jaguar-
    struck at birth, 1.5k bc, rolling their huge heads with a rope.
    for another look at the olmecs, try the book, cyprus 5k bc, for
    the steatite cruciform carved axes with faces and helmets exactly
    like the large olmec heads at la venta, which lead me to believe
    these were seafaring rowing warriors. at first in mexico they take
    the mountain areas, the same terrain as gobekli 9.5k bc. the question to ask here is: if neander was first to bury his dead,
    how many different forms did he use, was the flesh eaten, how
    were bones/skull distributed. we know, iueli, the bear left his
    skull in the caves, but the ainu actually eat bear. let me visit japan via old book and i’ll be back.

  22. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …maui(N)=be afraid(lit. hands/ma -ui/up)/ awe(E), note the disappearing (m)aui/awe. the word, ainu, has the same progress:
    maitl(N)=hand/maite(basque/endearment)=girl’s name/aite(jap)=
    spouse/ai(jap)=love:blue/matlatl(N)=net/matlalli(N)=netland:
    blue. so the ainu are blue, associated with nets, the sea?
    their log canoes are called, chip/chipeua(N)=begin on top(directions
    to make log canoe/chip/clean), later the word, ship(E)/chip(E).
    the blue woads of japan, altho, woad/ ua atl(N)=water/sea owners.
    they fit the healthy neander/asian cross profile and take a form
    of early communion with the bear, the neander proto-christ
    sosltice rite, cf. earlier post/ iueli(N). one of their words
    for bear is, pera, p/b/vel/ra=iueli(N)= powerful. being great
    drunkards, probably from the metis/metl(N) sea age of 4k bc,
    their historical continuity has been destroyed. their brides
    have to have their forearms tatooed with braids before they marry,
    and they make rope and clothes from the inner bark of trees/
    treow(OE)/teotl(N)=theo/deo/theother(E/2words). their gods are
    20/cempoalli/sample, shaved sticks. so they are early tree people.
    they use poison to hunt, ah, poison/ponzoña(sp)/ ponaçoa(N)=
    fill with air, later, pounce/bounce(E). they appear to be healthy
    neander crosses related to the tahitians, not caucasians and
    not afrikan. let me find some genome on them.

  23. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …at the pie level of nauatl, bear can come from, petla(N)=arrojar/
    petra/piedra, as, pera(ainu)= bear, since p(N)=original 5k bpe sound/tzon-(N/prefix)/shoom(russ), then, pet/l/ra=pera(ainu)=this animal throws himself at you, a warning encoded in the word. logic=tloc(N)/location/local, which should be a warning of the parochial nature of logic, i.e., it’s local, e.g., a roundhead while russian will have a different idea of logic than a ykrai or a georgian/ g/ceo(r)l=churl(E), from, ce(r)ollin(N)=one(holy)movement, or more exactly, don’t stop me if i’m boring you, get your own life, ge/ce o(r ollin) ce/ge. if you can’t follow this, y tienes la guëvonada then fuck off to another site, golondrina, it’s easy to talk but to think, pues, es otra cosa, no que no? the curse of the world is that attention span, required for unraveling language, is nil/tlil(N)=black/lilac/lily/lilith(goddess)/(n)ile(river, named for dark blue water lilies. the name of this age is dumbdown, named for the disney elephant/ollin pantli(N)=holy family/oliphant(name),la edad de mamarachos y su lecho de puercos billetes.

  24. Jun Says:

    well said, finally a good report on this stuff

  25. Gina Brooks Says:

    You made some good points there. I did a search on the topic and found most people will agree with your blog.

  26. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …since i think the bear-deer cult a mixed promethean/neander
    and cromag eurasian riverine venture beginning with neander,
    the arctic-bodied hominid, and taken up by the gene-pool, 72k
    bc, out of afrika eurasian riverine cromagnon, why don’t we take
    mati sarmela(google), the bear article, and gloss it for nauatl
    word roots?
    the finnish/fen(E)=swamp=suomi=people who live in swamp, as
    opposed to the swidden/(cua)uitl/t/d d/tentli(N)=edge of trees
    (woodland clearings). i believe the bear, born in the heavens near
    the plow, the big dipper/otava(F)=the great bear song(rite), the
    big dipper, the bear constellation, was son of heaven and banished for rääka(F/sin)/tlaca(N)=body…the word tlaca is used for bear in old german.
    well then, some bodily sin,
    and since he looks like us, some edenic celestial sin having to
    do with a carnal appetite? perhaps hunger, as in the case of,
    cua xolotl chantico, a form of hecate, who ate a piece of fish
    during a fast, and whose head was turned into a dog/xolotl/head
    by deathlord, mictlantecuhtli, el mickey, however since the finns
    have a vitasaari/ uitz tzalantli/ come to sala(sp)salon(E), or,
    tzalan(N/prep)=between/ a wedding with an orphan bride, usually
    a young girl, by this time the bear has been hunted out of his den and sacrificed. he is not killed in his den for he is asleep and
    dreaming/drem/ d/t(r)emiqui=temiqui(N)=dream(on the edge/tentli(N)=
    lip of death/-miqui), and while in that state may bring harm from
    the underworld to the hunters, who always claim they didn’t kill him, but that he fell from the magic pine tree/pinaua(N)=to be ashamed, to redden/later, pennen/ p/b(r)ennen=brennen(OTeuton)=
    burn, through which he passes to earth after his celestial shame,
    and where his head and claws are hung when he returns to heaven
    after being sacrificed, so the first resurrection cross is the
    pine tree, his bones buried at the root. his other names in finnish/
    fennish are: oksi/otso/ohto, which one can match to the book of
    souls/tonalamatl as day eleven, ozomatli(N)=monkey, ozo-(N) being
    zo/ço(N)=to bleed/zoon(gk)/oso(sp), both monkey and bear bear(pun)
    a resemblance to us and are our stand-ins, just as jesus was, and
    altho i can’t speak for the monkey version of christ, the bear/
    otso was also the son of the heavenly god. now, who was this heavenly father. we go to the earliest clan of finland for the
    answer: ka(r)thu/ka(r)thunen/ ka tonatiuh(N)= sun/-tonatiuh ka-/being. so it’s the sun, just as morningstar quetzalcoatl venus
    later announces his father, the sun, in a more refined version
    when the shuttle/xiotl(N) star is weaving goddess, ehecatl(N/day2souls)/hecate. but the bear tradition speaks to another part of the heavens, ursa mayor/otava. oh, otso(F), also roots back to
    oztotl(N)=cave/host(communion).
    during the peijaiset(F)=wedding bear feast/peyaua ceti(N)=
    the overflowing set/sit/uniting, also called, the vakke(F)=
    ua ki/cuauitl(N)/ki(jap)=tree, that is, to own the tree(the
    resurrection pine), so the vakki peyaua(peyotl=pericardium of
    the heart, the heart sac, and the plant which strengthens it,
    not used by the finns or they would live to be 200yrs old instead
    of 100) feast is the communion. seating boards and table are washed
    down by sima(F)=mead/simo(ONorse), sime(OSax), sima(OE)=rope/
    cima(N)=deshebrar la penca del maguey/metl(N)=mettle/metal/methe(gk)
    /miel/mëd(russ)/mead/medicine. washed down by mead. the ancestors
    are known as: ko u ko(F)/ aco ollin aco(N)= ago holy ago(E).
    otso/bear/pera(ainu)/petla(N)/petra(Lat)/piedra(sp)/peter(name)/
    pedro has helpers: ho(n)gotar/ h/th/toca otla= otlatoca(N)= make
    a road/otli, become large(stain), extend/otlatocac(N)=traveller,
    so, hongotar tocotar otlatoca, toca/our being otli/the vein, the road, and hongotar is the female in charge of the pine through
    which otava/ottawa(canada) comes down to earth and ascends. another
    maiden is, mielikki(F)/ metl l/ticitl(N)= midwife/-likki/ticitl of
    miel/metl/honey, maybe she’s a bee/ b/pipiyolin(N)=bee(pick pick
    yollotl/heart ollin/move.
    let’s see, oh, viena(F/town)/ ue na uentli(N)=offering/vienna(urb), and, mati(N)=know, and he does! tks, mati.

  27. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …examining a few key basque words, like sagar/apple, sagar/the
    central part of the mass, sagrado(sp)=sacred, is an apple? looking
    at their first person pronoun singular, relexive, and object:
    nerau, neu, ni(basque), comparing it to nauatl= neuatl, nehua, ne(N), the english: i, myself, (m)e, and knowing m/n interchange,
    hmmm, evidence points to basques having a personal connexion to
    nauatl, they live either side of france/spain where the painted
    caves are, iberi/iberia= iueli(N)= iv/be(a)r/li, powerful winter
    bear worship, a neander promethean gift, the first christ. the
    basque number, 4=lau, hmmm, not (n)au i, so, (n) is later, then,
    4 in basque forms from an earlier word, ah, oalau(N)=annointed=
    alaua/oalauh/laude(Fr/Lat). why 4? because an annointed object
    is offered/uentli(N) to the ue na(N), to the big/ue na/4, the wind,
    the 4 rumbos/directions, hmmm, makes basque lots older than sanskrit, puts it at least back to 42k bc. oh, they also have
    pariahs living with them called the cagotz, well, ca(N)=being,
    -(g/c)ozt otl= cave, as late as the 1930’s this is, they, the
    healthy basques didn’t interbreed with them, nor were they lepers/
    lazaros/tlaza(N)=throw down, the ca oztotl are the cave spawn
    of the basque race that didn’t breed up, so where did the new
    breeding for the basques come from? for that we go back to apple/
    sagar and the sa(n)garius/sakarya river in bithynia nw turkey,
    an orchard culture site. bithynia was one of the few provinces
    not conquered by alexander the great. a rich province but the
    people not content, with numerous revolts from the independent
    plebe. sound familiar? like the basques in spain today, some of them. so where did the bithynians come from? they were moving
    east. roman/greek historians have them living in cold thrake/
    thrace/tlaca(N)=body, along the strumon/(s)t(r)omon=tomoni(N)=
    abollar/fill with boulders, referring to herakles difficulty in
    rounding up cattle during one of his many tasks. when along the
    struma, they wore fox belt hats, like dan’l boone did racoon, and
    long multi-colored riding cloaks and while walking covered their legs from the cold northers, their arms were lance and daggars/
    tlaca(N)=body. once in bithynia they traded back to their iberian homeland apples/sagar, like all colonials they yearned back to
    origin. oh, sakarya(river)/tzacuilia, tzaqua, tzacualli(N)=
    preserve, hide behind; expiate; pyramide(saqqara, 2650bc, the first). so one can see the word, sacred, emerging from sagar,
    the word apple. other hits, if any more are needed to chart this
    circular journey of the cave basques to bithynia and back, are:
    ecaitz(basque)/ecauitz(N)=windcome/storm, and, the last piece
    is always to look at their present alfabet, which true to the
    non (r) nature of language origin of the painted caves france and
    spain, has no (r) as first letter, altho embedded inside words
    as inclusion. look at my 13 to 26 article on tzopilotl wordpress,
    an unedited edition i am having trouble correcting due to the
    mysterys of wordpress snafus. since the basques have a direct cave link, language link identity, i am going to sift through their
    language for other nuggets of gold/tlaolli(N)=earth roll, take the
    corn off the cob, nibblets. tks.

  28. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …more on basque cave/oztotl, oz is the cave, now let’s find the wizard in the words, hmmm, tooth in basque= hortz/ho(r)tz/otz, a
    mix,=oztotl, we’ve had teeth since then, remember language comes
    from the body out. not surprising, tlantli(N)=tooth/ tl/t/th/hand/t/li, the mouth is a cavern, ok, sort of follow the
    reasoning. ah, otzo(B)=wolf, with us since the cave, also, oso(sp)=bear, ozomatli(N/day11/booksouls), zo/ço(N)=bleed, zoon(gk), hmmm,
    oztotl(N)=cave where the blood/race, ah, otzan(B)=docile, tame, a
    condition for living in oztotl/cave, mixed with, ostalar(B)=innkeeper/host, so, yes, fits common root, oztotl(N)=cave, oh,
    otzaratu(B)=little basket, so weaving wicker since the caves,
    what other weaving? ah, the sky god, ortzi(B), ortze(B)=horizon,
    sky, from otztotl(N)=cave, oddly, tyrolean man, 3k bc, named,
    o(r)tzi, a sychronicity of language, who with red deer/wendy/
    windy/uentli(N)=offering in his stomach as last meal, was offered
    to the wind/sky, shot with one arrow, cf., natl geo article where
    they get carried away by science tech and say he was murdered, ha!
    so what is the basque word for cave? haitzulo(B)=cave, ah, here
    we see, tzol, the middle particle of, tlatla tzol teotl(N), goddess
    of fire drill and regent of tonalamatl we find being worked out
    in chauvet pont d’arc cave 35k bc. so the promethean fire seems
    to be near with the basques, well, let’s look at their words for
    fire/flame, aha, su/sute/suketa/sualdi, for fire, that’s,
    tzo/tzotl/tzocatl(N)=wrinkle(a new one, fire!)/socket(E)=the fire
    drill hole. oh, yes. and, flame=sugar(Basque), another variation of
    tzocatl(N)=socket, also that old sock, soc(r)ates, who would enjoy
    the unkempt reasoning in this piece, salud! and, for trailer, the
    basque word for, 5/five=bost/ b/po(s)tli=potli(N)=companion(both),
    an indication that the basques counted by 5’s using their companion
    hands as in nauatl. potli(N) is also the word, p/foot, so we can
    say they used all the hogei(Basque)=20=cempoalli(N), as in,
    h/th/to-(N)=our -gei/ ce(mpoall)i(N)=20. yup, they’re the nauatlaca,
    and sent the quetzalcoatl expedition, 3309bc, to the americas.
    back to o(r)tzi, the skygod, ortze(B)=(h)or iz/zi on=horizon(E/
    mix from ortzi), so, even the english/OFrench word, horizon/orison,
    from oztotl(N)=cave, no doubt we charted the stars from the caves,
    wouldn’t you? basque for weaving= ehun(B), believe i can make out
    the weaving goddess and planet venus in this short basque word:
    ehe catl(N/day2/booksouls), and the (n) of ehu(n) seals it. she’s
    shuttle star venus, weaving goddess, and the cavers/oztis ply her
    trade to chart the stars. tks

  29. Celticson Says:

    Carlos lascoutx did not take his/her med this morning…one sick puppy.

  30. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …thank you, celtison of a…, pride is all that’s left of a dying brain, that, and vituperation. go back to your beer and sham rocks. don’t try to puzzle new things out, you weren’t scheduled for evolution from birth: a great race goes into the sunset, and this is
    how it happens, i.e., resistance to anything outside the kennel.
    the ship is waiting in barkely bay, low lie the fields of athenrye.

  31. tds09 Says:

    When the sun sets the Moon should rise!

    Very interesting writing, Carlos. But it’s also very hard to read and you should dedicate your own blog to it. The style could lead people to think that you don’t consider anyone to be able to understand anything in the first place, I don’t know maybe it’s just your understatement…
    e.g. it would help if you put the linguistic derivations in a separate line each.
    if you see it also as a piece of art/poetry and you need the “constant stream” experience or whatever, your own blog is the right place. But again, content wise, I really like to read it.

  32. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …i think i question people’s will to understand anything
    but their own ease and digestion. i suppose it’s the tec/flint
    in us, the linear shot into space, the point of no return.
    so what if it’s hard? it’s how i remember it. our memory chips
    are so decayed now even a politician can fool us, dare i say
    ponzi too? it’s all about content, you want flash? go see a
    fotographer. i will go to my blog tho, tzopilotl wordpress.
    thank you, andrei, superb host.

  33. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …so let’s talk about neander’s thumb, supposedly he didn’t have one, yet he had wear on his upper incisors(wisdom teeth?), on the
    inside, e.g., tener colmillo(sp/phrase)=be wise(have tooth), from
    the firedrill and playing the flute/bellows. his word for tooth=
    tlantli(NN), and becomes through letra, h/th/t/tlantli//tl/t/d(letra)= tl/t/th/hand/t/tli(letra)=hand(E). now his word for thumb=
    mapilli(N)=child/pilli of the hand/ma, ma(N)=hunt land/sea with net,
    later mano(spLat), remember verbs precede nouns. so this child of
    the hand becomes another word, ma(r)fil(sp=ivery/ivory/iv/uel/ri(letra)=iueli(N)=powerful, the word for bear/ ber/ver/vel(letra)=
    iueli(N)/hiver(Fr)/iberia/hibernian/hibernate/inverness, etc,
    the solstice bear winter christ. so ivory is powerful wisdom,
    an elephant has thumbs that are tusks, and we take this power
    with our thumbs and carve it into talismans, the first being
    tlatla/flame tzol/hole teotl/tea/thea/dea, the fire drill tea,
    by the way, tea(sp)=torch= to(r)ch/ca(letra)=toca(N)=sow seed=
    to/our being/ca, e.g., muskets have touchholes. and from
    ivery/ivory/iueli(N)=powerful, we made gaming pieces and games,
    by the thumb, by the tooth, to gain wisdom/colmillo/tooth,
    because wisdom is indeed the third hand. the hindu have put
    it on the forehead, the third eye, but it’s in the mouth.

  34. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …40k bc mammoth ivory ivery iueli(N)=powerful marfil(sp)=ivory mapilli(N)=child of the hand=the thumb, the last digit that neander
    developed, probably neander crosses as neander had a 5th digit but
    no thumb, and was used to warp the thumb into use,
    this may have begun ivory carving and games, including
    the venus tlatla/flame teotl figurines, the latest one found with the flutes near ulm, germany, dating from 35k bc, the same date as
    the two 5-hole flutes found in hohle fels cave made of mute swan wingbones, the ivory flute was 3-hole found in same area, the
    geissen klosterle cave, and lastly an 8.5″ birdbone flute of
    the griffon vulture(later the priests of gobekli tepe, 11k bc),
    broken at the end but mouthpiece intact cut with 2 v-shaped
    notches and having 4/naui thin lines near each finger hole,
    hmmmm, 4/naui/nauatl(language la(n)cuage tlaca(N) daca da(n)ce,
    the root, tlaca is both language and dance, hmmmm)/
    and the verb dance=naua(N)=to alternate hands with partner or
    in line dancing, hey, that’s a reel in square dance/naua tlaca,
    so reel=rheol=teotl=teo tea(sp)=to(r)ch=toca=sow(our/to-ca/being),
    wow, sowing fertility dances based on tlatla/flame and t/l/red/t/l,
    with flutes, whence flute? ah, flauta= f/p(l)au/ta=pauia(N)=chew
    for another child(bird?)/pauilia(N)=to limn birds, aha, and,
    li(mn=nauatl) from the ending, -lia, with strong mn tag, how
    does pauilia get to flauta, we have first 3 letters, pau, then
    inclusive (l) or the (l)ia moves forward= p/f(l)au, then?
    i guess the (l)ia does double duty and shifts (l/t)= f(l)au(i)t(i)a,
    the two (i’s) drop= flauta(pg).
    this dates music to 10k yrs before neander leaves europe,
    and answers my question of what happened in the altai at 40k bc,
    they were rocking, nauatl/naua/dance language spread like wildfire
    throughout eurasia with the flute and nauatl pie formed as the
    blue planet language which much later, 4k bc, split into the
    world idioms, but at 42k the message not only went out it was
    broadcast as music/muse/amuse/amoxtli(N)=book, booked to the
    blue planet ballroom.

  35. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …a bridge to the altai is the japanese word for flute,
    f(l)u(t)e= fue(J), except for exlusions it is the same word as,
    the english flute, which, while not having the same root as
    flauta(pg)=pauilia(N)/paul, does share another root with flute=
    potli(N)=companion, giving such words as, float/both/brother/
    bridge/pont/pond/punt/port(flute hole)/foot(flutes are for dancing).
    only music would have enticed the dance of language to enter and
    intone the mind of man permanently with its refrain, we only have
    to think of the music and words that partner us from c(r)adle=
    ecatl to g(r)ave=caua=acabar(sp)=finish to understand this, and
    we have the visual pattern of print clouding our vision the while,
    even more so music’s effect when there is no recording device
    available to beat our memory chip to a hollow drum of echoing
    reverb, live every time takes the babblefish out of music and
    indelibly marks it as performance and persona, not as the shelf-
    live of cannery row.

  36. carlos lascoutx Says:

    …the latest is that we’re all deer culture, for non surfers of
    the net where my shotgun mind has sprayed the news. yes, all of
    us, hindi, jew, russ, hunky, turk, jap, chinoserie, abracadabra
    arab, greek, cherman, finn, viking, saxon, scarab, mastiff,
    cannibis, religion, flame dancing, mongol, chess, but we go
    our different ways after the nomad tlaloc raingod culture of
    tlaloa(N) talullah deer, the berber masyes go to sheep, bad choice
    for glory but not survival, the hebrew as well, are there any jewish
    jockeys, willy shoemaker?, the arab, but he also the horse, camel,
    molosser, the top deer tribes went to horse, the neander crosses
    like the alani alaua annointed, the khazars, who kept the rising
    scimitar from europe, dog and horse soldiers, when the arabs
    moved in they banned the dog, proving how treacherous they were to
    the faith and trust of man’s oldest friend, now we will have to
    hunt them out in afghanistan with our own wardogs, sad, but war’s
    theatre is an all souls story, animals as well, and there is no
    greater love than a dog’s, he doesn’t monkey around, takes down
    the wolf, follows the lost lamb even if he himself dies of thirst,
    arab curses worry me, not as to their power but to their insanity,
    no playing tennis because it’s considered a dance if you go to arabia feliz, modern sheiks feel free to torture grain merchants
    personally on youtube for lesser deception, no, not just the
    tribal whim, twin towers of the earthly realm, preferring fire
    to water, usurping peace with terror at no honor, their monstrous
    canine a jacquered hyena, their women purdah, back to the old testament which should be clove from the bible to stand in a tribal
    museum with the koran, my words are not my words they are words
    the prophet rote, broken on wafers of sand by solar storms,
    resting with moon dates over water as one camel kneels and
    knells to another after fighting wind dragons all day. nomad is
    the heart of religion, always spontaneous, still, the same. water
    is the altar, the arrow shot through creation, horse to its rider,
    line to it’s flight.

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